Starting a Dialogue on Immigration Reform

Posted on 19 March 2009

In recent years, immigration on the East End has become a contentious, and often polarizing, issue. Each side — whether it be those who wish to see every undocumented immigrant deported or those who wish to see amnesty for all undocumented immigrants — continues to fight a fierce rhetorical argument against one another. Hoping to bridge the gap between these two groups, US Congressman Tim Bishop, Southampton Town Councilwoman Anna Throne-Holst and New York State Assemblyman Fred Thiele teamed up to host a forum titled “Immigration in the Hamptons: Beginning a Community Dialogue” on Friday, March 13, at the Southampton Senior Center in Hampton Bays.

While people waved American flags and held up signs saying “Deport Illegals” outside, Bishop told the audience the current status quo of community relations towards immigrants residing in the East End was “unacceptable.”

“I hope we can come to an understanding … and cut through the ugliness [surrounding this issue] to talk in a civil and respectful fashion,” continued Bishop.

He went on to say that while the federal government has focused much of its efforts on border patrol, internal enforcement of immigration laws have been neglected and the visa program is in disrepair. Bishop hopes the federal government will adopt an “earned citizenship” program for the 12 to 15 million undocumented workers currently living in the country.

Creating a path to “earned citizenship” is a bipartisan solution to the problem, said Bishop, and is an idea which has received backing from Senator John McCain and former President George Bush, Jr. After the forum, Thiele added that this policy of “earned citizenship” would make undocumented workers pay back taxes and other various fines.

There were many people in the audience, however, who criticized this plan saying deportation of all undocumented immigrants was still a viable option. Others said that while the nation waits for a full revision and update of immigration laws, the presence of illegal immigrants creates an economic strain on local residents.

One Hampton Bays resident, who is also a contractor, said he is continually outbid on projects because he uses legal labor, while, he added, other contractors employ undocumented laborers for less pay.

“A lot of people are very angry,” said Ronald Lawandowski, the director of the Patriots Border Alliance for Suffolk County.

However, other attendees, like Sag Harbor lawyer Bridget Fleming, wished this anger was tempered with words of compassion.

“There is no doubt that there is a group of people who are very angry, but I think there is a lot of misunderstanding. [Almost] every single one of those people [in that room] comes from an immigrant family, who were faced with identical challenges when they first arrived [to this country] … The solution to deport everyone is impossible,” said Fleming.

Fleming said she attended the meeting to learn how to inspire cultural acceptance in the Sag Harbor community, in order to avoid tragic situations like the murder of Marcello Lucero, an Ecuadorian immigrant, in Patchogue this past November.

“I want to make sure that doesn’t happen in our school … Cultivating compassion is the only way we can create a safe, happy and prosperous community,” added Fleming.

Thiele reported that the forum on Friday will be one of many to come. He said the principal goal of the forums was to not only facilitate a dialogue, but to also educate the public on the key facts surrounding immigration and immigration policies.

“Obviously holding one forum in two hours, we are only able to scratch the surface of the issue … It will not be just one meeting [though], but a long process of getting information out there,” he said. “Through conversation and discussion, I do think the larger community can start to reach some kind of consensus.”

He added that in the future, the panels might devote a whole forum on one key issue, such as health care or the economics of immigration. According to Thiele, it is also imperative to discuss issues surrounding immigration today, before tensions between the various groups flare up tomorrow.

“The underlying issues that come with immigration are very much ingrained into the East End community,” said Thiele. “[Immigration] is an issue we will be confronted with for a long time.”

Above: A Southampton Town resident voiced his concerns over immigration at the immigration forum hosted by Councilwoman Anna Throne-Holst, Assemblyman Fred Thiele and Congressman Tim Bishop. 

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24 Responses to “Starting a Dialogue on Immigration Reform”

  1. A PROUD AMERICAN says:

    Illegal aliens should not be rewarded for breaking multiple laws. Breaking into the country illegally, ID fraud, tax evasion and milking the system through their many anchor babies to scam welfare, food stamps, free education and healthcare. We have laws and they must be obeyed and enforced. Compassion is for those who deserve it and illegal lawbreakers deserve nothing but a one way trip back to their own country. They do not respect America so why should they be given anything? We can no longer afford to take care of other countries poor, illiterate and criminal aliens who have no respect for our country or its laws. This is why Mexicans (which make up about 80% of the illegals) get no respect nor do they derserve any. Deport !!

  2. HernandezUSA says:

    AMNESTY does NOT work!

    The 1986 Amnesty only led to millions of Illegals invading nation and more predatory business practices. All because no one wants to Enforce our LAWS to force foreigners to come to this NATION legally.

    We heard the heart ripping stories that coming to American legally is to hard and expensive. So, paying a Coyote $5,000 and risking your children, wife and yourself with possible Rape, Extortion, Drug Smuggling, and even death is better? Then, being legal and coming to country safely.

    I also am sick of hearing all the noise about being compassionate towards illegals hardships. Well, when did we as a nation stop caring about our Citizens hardships?

    There are 13,000,000 American Citizen without work who can no longer support their families and this is OK, because congress will make the Illegals documented so they can LEGALLY keep jobs and keep the 13,000,000 U.S Citizens from working? How does this make any sense? Where is our compassion for our own people?

    Show, some compassion for your fellow Americans especially during these tough economic times.

    So, STOP listening to the pandering from the RACIST groups like “LA RAZA” who care nothing about being an American, but simply to take the Western part of the United States back to Mexico.

    American Citizens always come first in this nation.
    Protect an American with E-verify and help our police Enforce our laws.

  3. Truth says:

    Hernandez you are a MINUTEMAN RACIST Disguising yourself as a Hispanic, and posting the same thing in all the message boards, You are getting paid by FAIR which is a Racist Org.
    Now for the TRUTH.

    Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!

    Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.

    The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

    Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

    In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

    The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

    Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

    But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

    According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

    One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

    No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

    Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

    The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

    The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

    To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

    Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

    With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

  4. Truth says:

    Daniel Griswold: Immigration law should reflect our dynamic labor market.

    Daniel Griswold is director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute in Washington. His writings on immigration can be found at http://www.freetrade.org; e-mail him at dgriswold@cato.org.

    Among its many virtues, America is a nation where laws are generally reasonable, respected and impartially enforced. A glaring exception is immigration.

    Today an estimated 12 million people live in the U.S. without authorization, 1.6 million in Texas alone, and that number grows every year. Many Americans understandably want the rule of law restored to a system where law-breaking has become the norm.

    The fundamental choice before us is whether we redouble our efforts to enforce existing immigration law, whatever the cost, or whether we change the law to match the reality of a dynamic society and labor market.

    Low-skilled immigrants cross the Mexican border illegally or overstay their visas for a simple reason: There are jobs waiting here for them to fill, especially in Texas and other, faster growing states. Each year our economy creates hundreds of thousands of net new jobs – in such sectors as retail, cleaning, food preparation, construction and tourism – that require only short-term, on-the-job training.

    At the same time, the supply of Americans who have traditionally filled many of those jobs – those without a high school diploma – continues to shrink. Their numbers have declined by 4.6 million in the past decade, as the typical American worker becomes older and better educated.

    Yet our system offers no legal channel for anywhere near a sufficient number of peaceful, hardworking immigrants to legally enter the United States even temporarily to fill this growing gap. The predictable result is illegal immigration

    In response, we can spend billions more to beef up border patrols. We can erect hundreds of miles of ugly fence slicing through private property along the Rio Grande. We can raid more discount stores and chicken-processing plants from coast to coast. We can require all Americans to carry a national ID card and seek approval from a government computer before starting a new job.

    Or we can change our immigration law to more closely conform to how millions of normal people actually live.

    Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals. As the people of Texas know well, the large majority of illegal immigrants are not bad people. They are people who value family, faith and hard work trying to live within a bad system.

    When large numbers of otherwise decent people routinely violate a law, the law itself is probably the problem. To argue that illegal immigration is bad merely because it is illegal avoids the threshold question of whether we should prohibit this kind of immigration in the first place.

    We’ve faced this choice on immigration before. In the early 1950s, federal agents were making a million arrests a year along the Mexican border. In response, Congress ramped up enforcement, but it also dramatically increased the number of visas available through the Bracero guest worker program. As a result, apprehensions at the border dropped 95 percent. By changing the law, we transformed an illegal inflow of workers into a legal flow.

    For those workers already in the United States illegally, we can avoid “amnesty” and still offer a pathway out of the underground economy. Newly legalized workers can be assessed fines and back taxes and serve probation befitting the misdemeanor they’ve committed. They can be required to take their place at the back of the line should they eventually apply for permanent residency.

    The fatal flaw of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was not that it offered legal status to workers already here but that it made no provision for future workers to enter legally.

    Immigration is not the only area of American life where a misguided law has collided with reality. In the 1920s and ’30s, Prohibition turned millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans into lawbreakers and spawned an underworld of moon-shining, boot-legging and related criminal activity. (Sound familiar?) We eventually made the right choice to tax and regulate alcohol rather than prohibit it.

    In the 19th century, America’s frontier was settled largely by illegal squatters. In his influential book on property rights, The Mystery of Capital, economist Hernando de Soto describes how these so-called extra legals began to farm, mine and otherwise improve land to which they did not have strict legal title. After failed attempts by the authorities to destroy their cabins and evict them, federal and state officials finally recognized reality, changed the laws, declared amnesty and issued legal documents conferring title to the land the settlers had improved.

    As Mr. de Soto wisely concluded: “The law must be compatible with how people actually arrange their lives.” That must be a guiding principle when Congress returns to the important task of fixing our immigration laws.

    Daniel Griswold is director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute in Washington. His writings on immigration can be found at http://www.freetrade.org; e-mail him at dgriswold@cato.org.

  5. Truth says:

    The real truth of the 5.5 million jobs lost is to be blamed on The bankers and yourselves, not some poor dishwashers, lawn mowing,roofing Humans who want to feed their families,
    Get EDUCATED here is a link to the lies of Wall Street and those of you who were greedy pigs lost money because you believed in FIBS, go to and read the real truth. UNTIL THEY WONT SOLVE THE BANKS LENDING PROBLEMS, NOTHING WILL MOVE FORWARD .

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article9523.html

  6. MaryJ says:

    I’d like to ask lawyer Bridget Fleming (is she an immigration lawyer by chance?) what “compassion” the illegal aliens have for us, when they trash our towns and communities, steal our social services tare meant for our own elderly, children and poor people, steal our identities and break numerous other laws? Compassion is a two-way street Ms. Fleming, and most of your “immigrants” don’t seem to have much of it.

  7. marty says:

    Anyone who contends that breaking the laws that govern the USA is OK, is by definition criminal and nothing else. It is obvious that those who have that mind-set are devoid of common sense.Let them convince law-makers to CHANGE laws and we will ALL abide by them.
    In the meantime they MUST, even if the don’t like it, ABIDE by what is current law.
    Unfortunately,schools at any level cannot teach the most important brain function one can have, common sense.

  8. Pete S. says:

    The unemployment rate is not where it is because of illegal immigrants. Do you think for a minute that someone who is collecting $400 per week in unemployment is going to go to work in a $10 per hour job and have to actually work for the $400 per week? Would you? There are alot of lazy americans. ALOT! As for the illegal immigrants, how in the world can you deport them all. What will happen is people will just pay them under the table. You people need to get over the illegal immigration issue. The real problem lies in the American people. There are too many lazy, cheating, dishonest, corrupt and just plain bad americans that are ruining this country. Not the $9.00 per hour Mexican landscaper that is trying to earn a living. You should be wanting to deport people like Barney Frank.

  9. jvilla says:

    if 500 hundred thousand illegal aliens come into the country every year and they leave their families in mexcio, why do they come here to start new families and then when they are deported they cry separation of families, but i guess the one in mexico does not count. every illegal aliens will drop an anchor baby as soon as soon as they are in american soil. thats their ticket to food stamps, wic, medicaid, government housing, welfare because of the anchor child, free education for all 4 to 5 illegal children they brought with them. how is 20 million illegals of whom all are on public assistant is going to help the economy. if we legalize 20 million they will bring in another 20 million, remember all these illegal aliens start new families here so they will bring all the kids from both families not to mention the aging parents who will be ready to be on medicare! how stupid is this what we need to do is push to end automatic citizenship!

  10. MadasHell says:

    The majority of east-enders are a hard working group who play by the rules, are very compassionate and financially giving, and get very upset at persons who do not play by those rules. Acting objectively at the problem of illegal immigration we must move toward a resolution that does not capture any particular group’s belief over another. Regardless of how sympathetically they hold those beliefs. Consequently we must operate within the law. It’s the only equitable thing to do. Once we settle on who should leave and who can stay, legally, then we can work compassionately with those who warrant our good deeds in Gods name.

  11. Jan says:

    Yes, either one has an understanding of the law, where in our country, justice is “blind”, or one doesn’t understand law, right or wrong, truth or consequences, etc. There are a few knuckle-dragging idiots out there…always will be, but NO ONE with the brain of a cantaloupe would want harm done to anyone. All MOST Americans are asking for is that we abide by the law, what is ILLEGAL…is WRONG, until otherwise changed and CANNOT be condoned. It’s really very, very simple.
    and P.S. If I hear one more time, that we’re “all a nation of immigrants”, or that” we can’t survive without the work from (illegal) immigrants”, I’m going to throw up, hopefully not in the face of the person who said it.

  12. frank kinney says:

    parasites! criminals! illegal employment! health care cost! unkown people? this we are ask to not only pay for” but support reward citizenship? this is a deal for WHO? cheap labor for special interest groups and corporate tax beaks too gangs?chamber of commerce files law suit against federal goverment against E- VERIFY? files law suit” against our employment and security protection from not only criminals but foreign spy’s too! idenity theft and fraud? something not RIGHT here you think? american women and children are being abducted and rape by this illegal foreign invaders and we got people not only filing law suits for this type of terror in our communities” but wanting to give out american only privleges away too! but to invaders from unkown jungles around the world? china! india! russia! vietnam! MEXICO! amnesty means everybody AMERICA? foreign invasion and terrorist criminals parasites of the poor from the dark jungles of who knows what they got like HIV TB leporsy and who knows what other nice privileges and diseases we get on our returns for amnesty and citizenship! illegal invaders have no argument for pitty or favoritism from any one of U.S. period. WE LOSE GAIN NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING! FROM IT! just another part of this massive scam in our goverment and it’s AGENDA of greed and culture change. we pick up them madoff and stimulus TABS! just another bad investment” for which the cost is “never ending” for them never ending empty pockets of the JEW!!!!! CIVIL rights issue? once again them civil rights tools of the jew? easy money to sue YOU tools! change our constitution tools that are just nothing but added nonsense new rules tools? racial profiling? hate crimes? racial profiling against americans and our privileges of constitutional protection rights as american citizens and privileges ONLY! illegals have no civil rights because they are not citizens of united states period. no argument end of story. hate crimes which time after time are nothing more than racist attacks against white people for simple fact they do not grant same privileges to the white people of a HATE CRIME AGAIST THEM! dialogue on immigration REFORM! meaning of word” improvement or correction of what is corrupt or defective” that simply means enforcement of our constitution and laws which our goverment is IN contemt of U.S. constitution law by not stoping this foreign invasion on american soil by alowing and not securing borders and our ports of entry TREASON. constitution is our guildance for which our goverment is not enforcing” for which it’s putting own american citizens in harms way! united states goverment by the people and for american people ONLY! “no ARGUMENT” end of story. YEP! that CIVIL UNREST CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS UNREST live today all across AMERICA are home sweet HOME. INDEPENDENT truth justice and the american way. AMEN.

  13. bill says:

    This isn’t about Immigrants , it’s all about ILLEGAL ALIENS and Democrats looking for 20 Million new voters and their EXTENDED FAMLIES !!! Immigration Reform is ” NOT ” AMNESTY !!! It’s also not about allowing 20 Million uneducated , unskilled , non-english speaking welfare cases to come into the Country with their EXTENDED FAMLIES !!! Congressmam Bishop is a disgrace ! The Democrats have one idea , and thats to assure their elections with 20 Million + new voters at YOUR expense and the destruction of the American way of life ! These people are criminials and should NEVER BE REWARDED , !!!!! Bishop and all the PANDERING POLITICIANS need to go !!!

  14. bill says:

    P.S. Our internal enforcement hasen’t been neglected , they have been destroyed by Democrats like Bishop who voted to KILL E-VERIFY , welcomed them with his voye FOR the Dream Act and everyother pro Illegal Vote . And there are OVER 20 MILLION here NOT 12 .

  15. Native American says:

    To all you that are writing here , i am asking you’ll to leave my country and go back to where YOU came from, YOU ARE ALL HERE ILLEGALLY.
    To those who are screaming about these poor migrants , Simple question, ask yourselves why are YOU threatened by some Illiterate taking your dish washing , fruit picking job?
    If you are such a folly and as a Citizen you are UNEDUCATED AND HAVE NO PROFESSION, ASk yourself why . and Blame it on yourself not some poor migrnat, they did not take any Job from teh 5.5 MILLION that were fired last year , None of them worked in IBM, WHIRLPOOL, FORD, GM, HP, KRAFT, Get it?.
    Now sit write yourself a road map for your life and what YOU can Learn and do in TODAY’S WORKPLACE REQUIREMENTS. Like this you will not be threatened by some dishwasher.

    To the others first educate yourselves on IMMIGRATION Like Daniel Griswold is director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute in Washington. His writings on immigration can be found at http://www.freetrade.org; e-mail him at dgriswold@cato.org. LAW ,

  16. Richie says:

    For this person that stated “Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes”Kind of hard to pay this if they are using a fake social security number.Don’t give me this crap that they don’t because they do will continue to do it as long as there are people like you around.We should deport you with them for even thinking that our familys came to united states like these illegals.Our familys came here legally and payed our taxes and everything else we needed to stay here.All of you bleeding hearts need to go live with them in mexico and be with all of those that you want to help and see how ugly they really are.God Bless America not “Amexicana”

  17. Jan says:

    Dear Native American:
    Although I have the greatest respect and compassion for you, the natural migration and take-over of peoples is good for some, bad for others, but it’s human nature and has gone on since…like, forever. As you see “the white man” who took over your country, some see Spanish-speaking individuals taking over our present country, with huge and potentially equal impact. It is now even changing our culture. The lies and deception of the 17 & 1800′s, is happening today. But the really really sad part is, now we have a government who is aiding and abetting this takeover…to what end, I can only guess. We have laws now, which didn’t exist in our previous centuries. It’s criminal that they are not being upholded.

  18. MO says:

    I love it when people feign they are shocked, just shocked at “illegals.” What hypocrites, what frauds, what nonsense. Firstly, if you drive ove the 55 mph speed limit on the LIE that is a scofflaw. If you are caught you get a ticket that 99.9% people pay. Going over the speed limit does not make you an “illegal.” So stop this shit how pious you are, wanting to play by the rules while others don’t. I can just see all these holier than thou going nuts obeying the speed limit as everyone passes them!
    Coming into this country without a permit, crossing the border surrepiitiously is not, NOT, a criminal act, but a scofflaw against breaking immigration rules. That is why the holier-than-thous in Congress tried to pass a law making it a felony to enter the county without going through the proper immigration dept.
    Each time the proposed law came to the floor of the Senate & House it was msoundly defeated by large majorities of bi-partisan congressmen & women.
    They wisely felt it would be folly to make 12,000,000 people here criminals, exacerbate the racist hatred of the Latinos (nobody complained when the Polish, Italian, Irish settled here in large numbers without permission.)forment blame & greater resentment of Latinos & be a very, very expensive project as tens of thousands would be hunted down, arrested, jailed, fed, clothed & flown back to Ireland or Italy or Poland. If last year 200,000 immigrants were arrested and detained (many mistakenly) just how many years are you prepared to pay for this exorbitant vengence?
    Immigrants do pay taxes. There is a half trillian (500 billion) in the social security “rainy day fund” right now, growing by 7 billion a yeAr of tax money sent in by people with wrong SS #s, the vast majority of that by people without correct numbers. They will never see one penny of the money! Without that money, SS would collaspe. Immigrants make SS viable by replacing workers for an aging population.
    Without immigrants, documented and not, our economy would collaspe. Do you want your children to wash dishes in restaurants? Do you want your kids cleaning hotel and motel bathrooms? What to do?
    Simple: bring immigrants into the mainstream of society, permitting an path to citizenship. They have surely earned it. For those who scream no forgiveness, no reprieve, no mercy, no amnesty, no quarter are ignorant of American history and contemptous of liberty. The story of our nation is a story about immigration.
    People now, just like the Know Nothings, wrap themselves in the flag, but despise immigrants. Too bad, you are on the losing side of history. –mo

  19. Jan says:

    Mo;
    Sorry, Dude… you’re just plain wrong. Yeah, my kid worked his butt off along with other friends, on a local farm and learned much that helped to build their character stronger. Yeah, and he also washed dishes at a local restaurant, hating mostly every minute but he did it, got money, and succeeded.
    Please drop the highly cliched argument of “we’re a nation of immigrants” and… “we need to use immigrants cause they work cheap and we’re too good for those jobs” line of thinking. That gets us all nowhere. If the government was TRULY concerned about this problem they would:
    a. close the borders now;
    b. Penalize those employers who knowingly hire slaves…ooops sorry… I mean illegal Immigrants;
    c. work on making honest H2B Visas easier for legitimate workers and employers to try to get their jobs done.
    So far, the government just wants to make it easy for our entire country, society and culture, that we fought so very hard to keep, to be taken over. For what exactly????

  20. William Merrell says:

    The problem with the church is that they talk a very big show but they are not saddled with the ever-growing tax burden illegal aliens cause in this country today. In Los Angeles County alone, the cost (last year) of all services to illegals tops over one billion (the cost of this menace, U.S. wide, is over the cost of the terrorist wars this country has fought last year alone) and the last time I checked, the taxes added by the churches in this country still equals “0″.

    This sounds like Kennedy talking about “the Green house effect” but when they want to put up windmills near his home he screams like a baby until they stop trying. I used to be a democrat until I grew up and started to look at those that were willing to give the funds/rights away and realized that they wanted to give our funds and not theirs.

    The left always wanted to give the “poor” more and more but when I investigated it, I realized that those cheering this on were giving less (substantially less) than those they were running against. During this last election B.O. gave a much smaller charity donation than McCain (even though his income was over six million).

    Wake up!!! In the next few weeks the “left” is going to shove Amnesty for Illegal’s down our throats and with it comes the financial burden and the lies they have told us. Pelosi had stated that there would be no “earmarks” in the recent cash flow for those that donated for the Democrats recent purchase of the White House (but there were thousands). Dodd said he did not know how the bonuses for the wealthy got into the bill (but, later it came out that “he” put it in the Bill at the request of this White House).

    When will it all stop? When will the politicians, financial markets and the other crooks be held accountable for their actions? What members of different governmental oversight groups will be sent to jail for this financial conditions? When will we get elected officials that actually support the Constitution and the “American” public?

    Demand that they (the church) correct the current situation and if religions want to have illegal’s in this country let them pay all of the costs that our society is being required to pay at this time (and in the future). Until then, stop paying monies to the church and demand that they start to pay. If they want to get involved, they should put the money where their big mouths are and stop paying monies for the families of the children that they have accosted in the past.

  21. squeaky says:

    Maybe you and I won’t pick fruit or work as a dishwasher but my teenage son would love a summer job. Guess what, no jobs! I grew up with a job every summer and on weekends. No more. Not even at McDonalds!

  22. connect says:

    that isnt the case. if your son got that job he would have his worker right. they dont have that we just exploit them so the companies can pay less. as 99problems sais we need to be on the right side of the situation and give them their rights

  23. Just think about it... says:

    They’re here because we need them(they’re cheap and fast), if they wouldn’t know that job’s waiting for them here, they wouldn’t come in the first place.
    And don’t worry, they will never get their papers, because we NEED their cheap labor to compete with our neighbor, and as long as they don’t have the papers we have our cheap slaves.

  24. Old Guy says:

    Here’s what I don’t get…

    WHAT PART ABOUT ILLEGAL DONT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?

    If your here illegally, get out… if you want to come, do it the right way!

    If we leve it the way it is going, what other laws can we break cause we don’t like them.


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